Chests & keys: rant or praise - Page 5 - Guild Wars Forums

Luggage · Sep 17, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Its a new way of gambling, nice for those who have too much gold

What I would like to know: Are more expensive chests dropping better stuff? Or better odds for good stuff? What makes the difference?

The base items depends on the area yes - so the more expensive keys gives better chance to get a max dmg item. I also belive they give higher rank on the bonuses but the chance to get gold or purple seems pretty constant.

thirtypercent · Sep 17, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

key should not be available at merchants. only mobs should drop them

VGJustice · Sep 17, 2005, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I'm kinda mixed about it. I like the fact that I can get Purple/Gold items of all quality levels from these chests, but I don't like that there don't seem to be any other chests anymore. So now, I *must* have a key to open a chest. Granted, if I'm going into a Mission area, I will buy a key if I have to, but it's kinda pointless otherwise. Well, not entirely pointless: You can use the only so-so items in the chests to help build up a new guy in your guild. They like that kind of stuff.

Viruzzz · Sep 17, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

i like to farm. not because its actually fun. but i get gold form it. and it makes me happy in the long run. i don't have to sell out my useless items (useless to most but valuable to me) every time i want something. having finished a single character (unlocked 2 proffession lines) and being 1/3 of the way done with my other 2 i use a lot of money. its boring to farm. yea. but it makes me happy in the long run cause i don't have to sell my cool stuff every time i need something.

i have a raven staff for each of my characters. it looks cool. it sucks. but it looks cool. i don't care what other people thing about it. I don't use it while fighting but if i need to hit somthing on a cliff or behind some kind of barrier. i'll use it. even i'f i'm doing 2-3 dmg

and now to the point. its the same thing with chests. i get a gold drop. i know theres a 90% chance i'll get some whitty mod on it. and its worth more unid'd but do i save it and sell it to other players? no. because if it WAS something nice. i would just have thrown it away. and i wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror. so even if i know its bad for my gold and i won't get anything of value (most of the time atleast) i am having twice the fun spending money than i normally would

edit: and i like making other people happy. i found a dragon sword once(back when they were still rare). perfect dmg. +15% while above 50% hp. i didn't wanna use it myself because i'd have to switch out my beloved axe with my hard-earned mods and i'd need a bunch of sword skills.

so i went on my lvl 5 and went to ascalon. found a party. and this one guy. everyone was yelling at him because he didn't know EXACTLY what to do. so i gave him the sword. he was happy. everyone else was mad at me. but i made the guy they picked on happy. makes me even happier. that guy still has me on his friends list. i made a friend that way.

ninja-Edit2: and i still believe he has the sword

Andy_M · Sep 18, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

There's at least one normal chest in kryta that I know of.

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 18, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I think the keys are a terrific idea.

It's a natural money-sink for people with a lot of money. It worked on me for about a day until I realized that my gambling wasn't paying off. Since I was getting mostly the lousiest purple items in the game, my natural paranoia convinced me that the chest yield distribution was a curve weighted by some indicator of wealth to give the poorer players a better chance of getting something good....

Then again I should take my medication (just kidding). I'll use keys on occasion if I feel lucky but I don't bank on them. It's nice to have that option.

I suppose I really shouldn't be appalled that I get the gold/rare items .... only rarely....

I like the keys.

RTSFirebat · Sep 18, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

I found a Steel Key today, where abouts are they used?

Kai Nui · Sep 18, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

I like keys, they're really good and have helped me get good items and unlock a lot of stuff and the purple and gold I get I sell for 1-2k each which is more than the keys. The only keys I buy are shiverpeak, miners, and darkstone, I think it's a waste to get the ascalon keys and stuff though. I never used them but I am thinking they are.

delfin42 · Sep 19, 2005, 02:21 PM // 14:21

I'm enjoying the Key system, though I have to keep myself from overdoing it.

The key is that if you're doing nothing BUT farming Key chests, you're likely to go broke. That's how I started out (buying up Shiverpeak Keys, running to easily-accessible chests, warping back and trying again), and it burned a lot of gold. I did find a Superior Absorption rune eventually that gave me a nice bankroll, but I had 4 gold left when it dropped.

Now, when I'm farming Grenth's/Sorrows, I buy one or two Shiverpeak and Miner's Keys and bring them along. They're not the primary focus of my trips, but they're nice to have around; they're guaranteed loot, and it's a crapshoot whether they'll provide something useless, something marginally useful, or a goldmine. I generally earn enough along the way from monster drops to pay for the keys even if they all give generic purple Chakrams, and if I get something nifty I come out ahead on the experience.

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Sep 19, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I hate getting gold items that require a three different class types in order to get full benefit! What where they thinking?! For example I got a gold Wand:

11-22 max damage (requires 9 fire)
Smiting skills +1 (chance 20%)
health +20
Blood magic skills recharge faster

Ok, that requires an Ele, Monk, and Necro class!

Charrbane · Sep 19, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I found a Steel Key today, where abouts are they used?

Northern Shiverpeaks (Anvil Rock, Deldrimor Bowl, Iron Horse Mine, etc..)

Algren Cole · Sep 19, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

of the 800 shiverpeak & miners keys I purchased I've had about 4 drops that were worth it. I've used 270 of them.

Glasswalker · Sep 19, 2005, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChoKILLate[FDG]

I hate getting gold items that require a three different class types in order to get full benefit! What where they thinking?! For example I got a gold Wand:

11-22 max damage (requires 9 fire)
Smiting skills +1 (chance 20%)
health +20
Blood magic skills recharge faster

Ok, that requires an Ele, Monk, and Necro class!

Well, the designers know you can't have 3 classes, so the intent is apparently that this wand does different things depending upon your class combination. (I'm not defending it, just explaining it.)

trelloskilos · Sep 19, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

I really think that the chest system is a good idea, not from personal experience, but with a view of the game overall.

* They're a gold sink. Nobody is pretending that they're not. However, in the long run, a player is more likely to get a "Rare gold godly somethingsomething with sick mods" for just the price of a handful of keys, instead of paying the ridiculous prices of many LA player merchants. There's no guarantee, but I like those odds.

* They are a stumbling block for botters. OK, so bot farmers will just hunt for keys, but with keys dropping very rarely, (About as frequently as rare items before the SF update), the other option is to buy keys from merchants, and of course, in the long run, that is not a viable venture.

* The aforementioned LA merchants now have to take a good long look at the sort of prices that they are charging. The chest system means that their customers are leaving (Mind you, only stupidly rich players, richly stupid players, players who cashed in on the economy reset, and Ebay gold buyers would consider buying any weapon over 50k unless it was a gold crystalline with perfect mods, 15%>50 etc.). Most of the weapons selling at LA before the update were substandard and bland, but were intantly marketed on a 50k baseline price just because it was gold and had max damage. - There is no pretence Anet did not intend for this to happen ingame, and while there are still merchants out there charging 100k+ectos for sub-par "godly" items, the majority are selling good rares for more sensible prices.

* This in turn has also meant that people are less prone to turning to Ebay for gold (Unless they're gambling junkies and intend to spend everything on keys). You don't NEED copious amounts of cash and hours of farming in the hope of raising the dosh for your desired item. You don't need to try to find "hotspots" in the game in the hope that you might get a lucky drop.

* The quality of drops from personal experience seems pretty decent. I was lucky enough to get a sup vigor. (I stupidly IDd it, but no big loss. I got the unlock and a few plat too ) - A fellow guildie also got very lucky with a sup absorption, and was cautious enough not to ID it. An offer of 85k from the NPC merchant was all he needed to know.

* And another point. With the increased ease of unlocking skills, mods etc, (coupled with increased faction), it now becomes easier for those who enjoy both PvE and PvP to UAS without so much farming involved.

* The only people who think that the chest system sucks seem to be the LA traders, the people who were stupid enough to buy items for absurd amounts of gold, and those who view the ultimate goal on GW as needing to have the most money, the most u83r items, FoW armour and storage spaces full of ectos.

s4nder · Sep 19, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

The best items I've found have been from the southern shiverpeak chests in a rather short timespan.

I found a golden max damage sword with +14% damage while health over 50% and 30 life, and a golden max damage axe with +15% damage while health over 50%.

I sold the sword cheaply to my guildmate and kept the axe. I'd never ever have found these items on my own before the update, much less trade for them.

I do think the chests spit out near-perfect items too often. I quite like it though :P.

Sandman Uk · Sep 20, 2005, 10:15 AM // 10:15

I would like to see chests give out Gold as well.

Items that are now up for auction are not even getting bids that cover the cost of the key. Before update it would have raised 40k will now if lucky get you 1k.

I have stopped purchasing Keys because I seem to be spending more than im earning. If the chests were to give out Sums of cash with the max being say 50k It would be worth the gamble than getting a gold Rare worth 300g

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Sep 20, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

Items that are now up for auction are not even getting bids that cover the cost of the key. Before update it would have raised 40k will now if lucky get you 1k.

I have stopped purchasing Keys because I seem to be spending more than im earning. If the chests were to give out Sums of cash with the max being say 50k It would be worth the gamble than getting a gold Rare worth 300g

You're missing the point. The keys are a gamble. In general they are gold sinks for people with a lot of money, who have nothing better to spend it on or those desperate for one great weapon for themselves or a jackpot...ie.) Superior absorption worth over the 50k you mentioned...even if you sell it to the merchant, so basically they have already done what you asked!

They also keep farming down because now gold items are not as rare. Even if you don't buy any keys you benefit, because now you can buy a gold item from someone for much less than what they used to go for.

Jonny54321 · Sep 20, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Here is the deal,
Ever look at the merchant on a green(boss drop) item? They sell for like 25gp. These items are not meant to be sold back to the merchants guys. They are meant to be sold to other players. Ergo, new problem; the market on guild wars is crap. No one wants to or needs to buy these gold items b/c you can get one almost just as good from any collector and add upgrades on it or someone already has one. What im tryin to say is there are too many nice weapons out there rendering the ones we do get next to impossible to sell. It is my belief we need to have the market fixed so these items we do get green,gold,purle are actually worth something. The only way i see that happening is making the rare drops more rare and collector weaps not as good or the rare drops better. Less item circulation= more value for the items.

As far as the keys go im a greneth and sf addict, ive had about 4-5 keys drop for me this week. 2 superior runes, 1 rare shield of wing rcv dmg -2(sold for 6.5k) It can work. The harder the place you use your key in i believe the better chance for a better drop.

on a side note: we could all use a little more space.... storage space that is :}

Sciros Darkblade · Sep 20, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Hopefully this will teach players how to be better merchants! ^^ I am often asked by people "how do you do it?" when it comes to making lots of gold from the GW item market. The trick is in keeping an eye on prices, knowing what you can and cannot sell, and being good about convincing your potential buyer that they NEED the item you're peddling.

Having lots of "garbage" gold items to get rid of is good for people, I think.

Meh, I'm just BS-ing.

In truth, gold items being more plentiful just means that supply goes up while demand remains the same, so you have to pay less for the item you're looking for. What, is it harder to make money nowadays? Not really, feel free to "play the green item market" ^^ or concoct some other get-rich-quick scheme that exploits the GW economy. There's always plenty waiting to be tapped. All that's really changed is rather than having to pay 350k for a perfect hammer you can buy it for maybe 30k from someone who opened the 90th gold-item-they-don't-want in a chest. So get your item, and go play PVP or the story mode.

If you don't get good luck from keys, then don't bother with them, but I have picked up a gold req 9 Flamberge from one (which covered my key buying for a while ^^). Just know that other people are still using them, throwing more gold items into the economy, and dropping prices even further (for the time being) so that YOU can afford the item YOU want! It's all good, people.

JTdestroyer · Sep 20, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Try in tascas demise outside of granite citadel. I get tons of golds andchest is right outside of place. Sup vigor 15%, always axes, 20% enchant upgrades +29 fortitude bow grip and much more!

Sep 17, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43	#84
Viruzzz Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	i like to farm. not because its actually fun. but i get gold form it. and it makes me happy in the long run. i don't have to sell out my useless items (useless to most but valuable to me) every time i want something. having finished a single character (unlocked 2 proffession lines) and being 1/3 of the way done with my other 2 i use a lot of money. its boring to farm. yea. but it makes me happy in the long run cause i don't have to sell my cool stuff every time i need something. i have a raven staff for each of my characters. it looks cool. it sucks. but it looks cool. i don't care what other people thing about it. I don't use it while fighting but if i need to hit somthing on a cliff or behind some kind of barrier. i'll use it. even i'f i'm doing 2-3 dmg and now to the point. its the same thing with chests. i get a gold drop. i know theres a 90% chance i'll get some whitty mod on it. and its worth more unid'd but do i save it and sell it to other players? no. because if it WAS something nice. i would just have thrown it away. and i wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror. so even if i know its bad for my gold and i won't get anything of value (most of the time atleast) i am having twice the fun spending money than i normally would edit: and i like making other people happy. i found a dragon sword once(back when they were still rare). perfect dmg. +15% while above 50% hp. i didn't wanna use it myself because i'd have to switch out my beloved axe with my hard-earned mods and i'd need a bunch of sword skills. so i went on my lvl 5 and went to ascalon. found a party. and this one guy. everyone was yelling at him because he didn't know EXACTLY what to do. so i gave him the sword. he was happy. everyone else was mad at me. but i made the guy they picked on happy. makes me even happier. that guy still has me on his friends list. i made a friend that way. ninja-Edit2: and i still believe he has the sword Last edited by Viruzzz; Sep 17, 2005 at 06:49 PM // 18:49..

Sep 20, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57	#98
Jonny54321 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/Mo	not meant to be sold to merchant Here is the deal, Ever look at the merchant on a green(boss drop) item? They sell for like 25gp. These items are not meant to be sold back to the merchants guys. They are meant to be sold to other players. Ergo, new problem; the market on guild wars is crap. No one wants to or needs to buy these gold items b/c you can get one almost just as good from any collector and add upgrades on it or someone already has one. What im tryin to say is there are too many nice weapons out there rendering the ones we do get next to impossible to sell. It is my belief we need to have the market fixed so these items we do get green,gold,purle are actually worth something. The only way i see that happening is making the rare drops more rare and collector weaps not as good or the rare drops better. Less item circulation= more value for the items. As far as the keys go im a greneth and sf addict, ive had about 4-5 keys drop for me this week. 2 superior runes, 1 rare shield of wing rcv dmg -2(sold for 6.5k) It can work. The harder the place you use your key in i believe the better chance for a better drop. on a side note: we could all use a little more space.... storage space that is :} Last edited by Jonny54321; Sep 20, 2005 at 07:08 PM // 19:08..

Sep 17, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56	#82
thirtypercent Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005	key should not be available at merchants. only mobs should drop them

Sep 17, 2005, 05:17 PM // 17:17	#83
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	I'm kinda mixed about it. I like the fact that I can get Purple/Gold items of all quality levels from these chests, but I don't like that there don't seem to be any other chests anymore. So now, I must have a key to open a chest. Granted, if I'm going into a Mission area, I will buy a key if I have to, but it's kinda pointless otherwise. Well, not entirely pointless: You can use the only so-so items in the chests to help build up a new guy in your guild. They like that kind of stuff.

Sep 18, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34	#85
Andy_M Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Guild: (Don't fear) The Beaver	There's at least one normal chest in kryta that I know of.

Sep 18, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16	#86
Xue Yi Liang Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern CA Guild: Outlaws of the Water Margin Profession: Mo/Me	I think the keys are a terrific idea. It's a natural money-sink for people with a lot of money. It worked on me for about a day until I realized that my gambling wasn't paying off. Since I was getting mostly the lousiest purple items in the game, my natural paranoia convinced me that the chest yield distribution was a curve weighted by some indicator of wealth to give the poorer players a better chance of getting something good.... Then again I should take my medication (just kidding). I'll use keys on occasion if I feel lucky but I don't bank on them. It's nice to have that option. I suppose I really shouldn't be appalled that I get the gold/rare items .... only rarely.... I like the keys.

Sep 18, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#87
RTSFirebat The Humanoid Typhoon Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	I found a Steel Key today, where abouts are they used?

Sep 18, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13	#88
Kai Nui Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you with a knife Guild: Celebrity Gangsters [FamE] Profession: Me/	I like keys, they're really good and have helped me get good items and unlock a lot of stuff and the purple and gold I get I sell for 1-2k each which is more than the keys. The only keys I buy are shiverpeak, miners, and darkstone, I think it's a waste to get the ascalon keys and stuff though. I never used them but I am thinking they are.

Sep 19, 2005, 02:21 PM // 14:21	#89
delfin42 Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Ban Hammer Profession: N/Me	I'm enjoying the Key system, though I have to keep myself from overdoing it. The key is that if you're doing nothing BUT farming Key chests, you're likely to go broke. That's how I started out (buying up Shiverpeak Keys, running to easily-accessible chests, warping back and trying again), and it burned a lot of gold. I did find a Superior Absorption rune eventually that gave me a nice bankroll, but I had 4 gold left when it dropped. Now, when I'm farming Grenth's/Sorrows, I buy one or two Shiverpeak and Miner's Keys and bring them along. They're not the primary focus of my trips, but they're nice to have around; they're guaranteed loot, and it's a crapshoot whether they'll provide something useless, something marginally useful, or a goldmine. I generally earn enough along the way from monster drops to pay for the keys even if they all give generic purple Chakrams, and if I get something nifty I come out ahead on the experience.

Sep 19, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#90
ChoKILLate[FDG] Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [FDG]-Fudge Profession: Mo/Me	I hate getting gold items that require a three different class types in order to get full benefit! What where they thinking?! For example I got a gold Wand: 11-22 max damage (requires 9 fire) Smiting skills +1 (chance 20%) health +20 Blood magic skills recharge faster Ok, that requires an Ele, Monk, and Necro class!

Sep 19, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#92
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	of the 800 shiverpeak & miners keys I purchased I've had about 4 drops that were worth it. I've used 270 of them.

Sep 19, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13	#94
trelloskilos Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Guitarring Adventurers Society Profession: R/N	I really think that the chest system is a good idea, not from personal experience, but with a view of the game overall. * They're a gold sink. Nobody is pretending that they're not. However, in the long run, a player is more likely to get a "Rare gold godly somethingsomething with sick mods" for just the price of a handful of keys, instead of paying the ridiculous prices of many LA player merchants. There's no guarantee, but I like those odds. * They are a stumbling block for botters. OK, so bot farmers will just hunt for keys, but with keys dropping very rarely, (About as frequently as rare items before the SF update), the other option is to buy keys from merchants, and of course, in the long run, that is not a viable venture. * The aforementioned LA merchants now have to take a good long look at the sort of prices that they are charging. The chest system means that their customers are leaving (Mind you, only stupidly rich players, richly stupid players, players who cashed in on the economy reset, and Ebay gold buyers would consider buying any weapon over 50k unless it was a gold crystalline with perfect mods, 15%>50 etc.). Most of the weapons selling at LA before the update were substandard and bland, but were intantly marketed on a 50k baseline price just because it was gold and had max damage. - There is no pretence Anet did not intend for this to happen ingame, and while there are still merchants out there charging 100k+ectos for sub-par "godly" items, the majority are selling good rares for more sensible prices. * This in turn has also meant that people are less prone to turning to Ebay for gold (Unless they're gambling junkies and intend to spend everything on keys). You don't NEED copious amounts of cash and hours of farming in the hope of raising the dosh for your desired item. You don't need to try to find "hotspots" in the game in the hope that you might get a lucky drop. * The quality of drops from personal experience seems pretty decent. I was lucky enough to get a sup vigor. (I stupidly IDd it, but no big loss. I got the unlock and a few plat too ) - A fellow guildie also got very lucky with a sup absorption, and was cautious enough not to ID it. An offer of 85k from the NPC merchant was all he needed to know. * And another point. With the increased ease of unlocking skills, mods etc, (coupled with increased faction), it now becomes easier for those who enjoy both PvE and PvP to UAS without so much farming involved. * The only people who think that the chest system sucks seem to be the LA traders, the people who were stupid enough to buy items for absurd amounts of gold, and those who view the ultimate goal on GW as needing to have the most money, the most u83r items, FoW armour and storage spaces full of ectos.

Sep 19, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00	#95
s4nder Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Estonia, Europe	The best items I've found have been from the southern shiverpeak chests in a rather short timespan. I found a golden max damage sword with +14% damage while health over 50% and 30 life, and a golden max damage axe with +15% damage while health over 50%. I sold the sword cheaply to my guildmate and kept the axe. I'd never ever have found these items on my own before the update, much less trade for them. I do think the chests spit out near-perfect items too often. I quite like it though :P.

Sep 20, 2005, 10:15 AM // 10:15	#96
Sandman Uk Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Uk Leicester Profession: N/R	I would like to see chests give out Gold as well. Items that are now up for auction are not even getting bids that cover the cost of the key. Before update it would have raised 40k will now if lucky get you 1k. I have stopped purchasing Keys because I seem to be spending more than im earning. If the chests were to give out Sums of cash with the max being say 50k It would be worth the gamble than getting a gold Rare worth 300g

Sep 20, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16	#99
Sciros Darkblade Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ohio Guild: Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader Profession: W/	Hopefully this will teach players how to be better merchants! ^^ I am often asked by people "how do you do it?" when it comes to making lots of gold from the GW item market. The trick is in keeping an eye on prices, knowing what you can and cannot sell, and being good about convincing your potential buyer that they NEED the item you're peddling. Having lots of "garbage" gold items to get rid of is good for people, I think. Meh, I'm just BS-ing. In truth, gold items being more plentiful just means that supply goes up while demand remains the same, so you have to pay less for the item you're looking for. What, is it harder to make money nowadays? Not really, feel free to "play the green item market" ^^ or concoct some other get-rich-quick scheme that exploits the GW economy. There's always plenty waiting to be tapped. All that's really changed is rather than having to pay 350k for a perfect hammer you can buy it for maybe 30k from someone who opened the 90th gold-item-they-don't-want in a chest. So get your item, and go play PVP or the story mode. If you don't get good luck from keys, then don't bother with them, but I have picked up a gold req 9 Flamberge from one (which covered my key buying for a while ^^). Just know that other people are still using them, throwing more gold items into the economy, and dropping prices even further (for the time being) so that YOU can afford the item YOU want! It's all good, people.

Sep 20, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52	#100
JTdestroyer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: EDGE Profession: W/Mo	Try in tascas demise outside of granite citadel. I get tons of golds andchest is right outside of place. Sup vigor 15%, always axes, 20% enchant upgrades +29 fortitude bow grip and much more!